Changing to Post-9/11 G.I. Bill? Not so Fast!


GI Bill

Quick background for non-veterans: The Montgomery G.I. Bill is a benefit that subsidizes education costs for veterans. While on active duty service members can elect to pay $1200 one time and in return they receive 36 months of payments towards full-time education after they leave active duty.  Thirty-six months is the equivalent of the time required for a 4-year degree based on a 9-month academic year. Yes, it’s the best $1200 investment you could ever make, as the full-time benefit is currently $1321 per month.

Congress recently passed the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill. Veterans that served after 9/11 are eligible. Service members also now receive the benefit automatically and do not have to pay $1200 as before. Veterans that originally had the Montgomery G.I. Bill but are eligible for the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill may elect to change their MGIB (known as Chapter 30) to the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill (known as Chapter 33). This is an irrevocable decision. This is also not financially advisable for all veterans. As a matter of fact, unless you attend school at least 3/4 time and pay all your expenses (no scholarships, tuition reimbursement, etc.) it’s probably not a good idea. This post aims to educate veterans on the basics of the two programs and why they should weigh all factors carefully before electing for the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill. It’s a decision that cannot be changed and might cost them thousands of dollars. Here’s why:

The Chapter 30 MGIB pays you monthly simply based on whether you are enrolled in a qualifying degree program. Enrolled full time? You get $1321 per month. No other factors are involved. Did you get a scholarship and you don’t owe any tuition? Good for you. The VA doesn’t care; you still get your $1321/month. Did you pick an inexpensive school where tuition is relatively cheap? Good for you. The VA doesn’t care; you still get your $1321/month.  If you are taking classes at 1/2 time or better then you simply receive a flat rate payment, scaled appropriately for 1/2 and 3/4 time students. However, students taking less than a 1/2 time load just get reimbursed for expenses.

(Note: To the non-veteran this may seem like the veteran is scamming the system, but he is not. The VA is well aware of how the program works. The Chapter 30 MGIB just cares that you are enrolled in a qualifying degree program. That is the requirement to draw the money associated with the benefit. If the veteran meets the requirement, then the VA is unconcerned whether the money exactly meets the veteran’s education expenses or whether it’s going towards pizza and beer.)

The Post-9/11 G.I. Bill is a little more complex. First, it pays your tuition and fees directly to your school, up to a maximum limit determined for each state. Did you pick an expensive college that consumed all of your Chapter 30 MGIB? Good for you, now the VA will pick up more of the tab (up to the limit for your state). Did you get a scholarship and you don’t owe any tuition? The VA thanks you wholeheartedly, because now they don’t have to pay the school for your tuition. See the subtle difference? Next, if you attend more than 1/2 time, then you get a housing allowance. The allowance is calculated as the BAH for an E-5 with dependents in the zip code of your school. Use this site to look it up for your zip code. If you attend at 1/2 time or less then you don’t get the housing allowance–not even a scaled one. Finally, you get a stipend for books equal to $500/semester or $1000/year for full-time. Those three payments comprise the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill: tuition paid to the school, housing allowance paid to you (if you qualify), and book stipend paid to you.

Crunch the numbers and you’ll find that you may want to stick with your Chapter 30 MGIB. The Post-9/11 G.I. Bill is lucrative for full-time students receiving no other type of assistance, and those attending expensive universities that don’t participate in the Yellow Ribbon Program. All other cases should perform a careful comparison before switching. The VA has actually done something really superb and posted several different example comparisons on their web site here. Note their assumptions at the top and plug in the numbers for your own scenario. Don’t include the MGIB $600 buy-up unless you purchased it before leaving active duty. Scale all the payments correctly based on how many hours you are taking and whether your school considers it full-time or less. Payment scales are linked below. Remember, 1/2-time and less means no housing allowance under Chapter 33 while 1/2-time and more begins your entitlement to flat-rate payments under Chapter 30.

Finally, the VA has indicated that veterans eligible for the Chapter 30 MGIB that exhaust all of their benefits under Chapter 30 may then change to the Chapter 33 Post-9/11 G.I. Bill for an additional 12 months of benefits under Chapter 33. I do not fully understand this, but it appears like it might sweeten the deal even more for veterans using Chapter 30. The blurb appears here on the VA website. I suggest talking with a VA representative personally about this plan, as it doesn’t seem to be as well-documented as all other facets of the change.

Here are some more resources to further research your decision:

Full Pamphlet on Chapter 30 MGIB Benefits and Eligibility

Chapter 30 MGIB Payment Rates

Chapter 33 Post-9/11 G.I. Bill Max Tuition for each State

Full Pamphlet on Chapter 33 Post-9/11 G.I. Bill Benefits and Eligibility

Text of the Law Instituting Post-9/11 G.I. Bill

General Benefit Comparison Information from the VA

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[...] appears like it might sweeten the deal even more for veterans using Chapter 30. The blurb appears here on the VA website. I suggest talking with a VA representative personally about this plan, as it [...]

Jeff,

Glad you posted this. Finding key information on the VA website can be difficult sometimes.

I made the decision last month to stay with the Chapter 30 (cheap school, I like the flexibility of going to school half time or less and still drawing a check) until it is completely used up and then using the Chapter 33 for an additional year.

I was a bit concerned as to if this was even possible, so I emailed the VA as well as called and was told through both channels that it is indeed possible to use both in that way. I do think there should be more documentation out there about this.
The cynical side of me tells me that this information is not made more accessible, because for people such as myself we’ll make out with more in the long run.

Hey Jeff,

Thanks for writing about the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill. I received a pamplet from the VA office and got a call regarding it from a VA representative and I told the fellow that I wasn’t sure what I was going to do yet.

I’m curious though since I have not started my Chapter 30 yet (was planning to start in the fall this year) if I would still be eligible for the additional year of the Chapter 33 even though it comes into action this August - if I remember correctly.

Angelina,
All the wording I have seen indicates that you must merely be eligible for Ch 30 to get the extra year after switching to Ch 33. The way I read it you do not have to have started your Ch 30. I would say take your time with the decision, since you can move from Ch 30 to Ch 33 at anytime, but after you go to Ch 33 you can never go back. However, if you plan to do the 100% full-time student scenario, then Ch 33 does provide a much heftier benefit.

Edited to add: If you are still active duty and there is any chance you’ll use Ch 30, you should do the $600 buy-up. It’s a no-brainer. A $600 one-time payment gets you an extra $150 per month once you start drawing Ch 30. It pays for itself in 4 months, and after that you’ve got 32 months of increased benefit. That’s $4200 over the life of the Ch 30 bill. However, if you change to Ch 33, the $600 buy-up is gone. You don’t get anything for it. Not even a thank you. I did the $600 buy-up and I’m very very glad I did.

You might want to add a paragraph or two comparing chapter 1607 deployed reservist GI bill to the new one.

Hey Jeff, thanks for posting the information, it helped.

I’m on Terminal Leave, and I’m really considering the Post 9/11.

But here’s my question…

Since all I have is a GED… I have an impressive photography/art portfolio. And I’d like to apply to NYU’s Tisch School for the Arts. (Film)

But I don’t want to do just a GED… I want start school now, community college type, then transfer over. The VA will let me transfer schools won’t they? Just wondering if you know something I don’t..

Thanks,

Facebook User, the only legacy GI Bill program I am qualified to speak about is Chapter 30 active duty.

Rob, I am almost 100% certain the VA will let you transfer schools. You just have to be taking classes towards a degree more advanced than the one you currently have. You will have to recertify with the VA Office/financial aid office at each school.

Now for some unsolicited advice: Think long and hard about making art and film your profession. Are you the best? I don’t mean good…I mean the best…at least the best in your region, but preferably the nation. If you’re into the arts then you know better than I that to make a buck you have to be the best.

It’s popular today to tell people to “follow your heart” and “just do what you love.” IMO, that’s a load of bullshit. It’s a lot easier to follow your heart and do what you love as a hobby with a steady income stream from a practical profession. You have the opportunity right now to get a college degree and leverage that degree plus your military experience to enter a variety of professions that will treat you well for the rest of your working days. When you’re 40 you will look back on this as either the time that you knocked it out of the park, or the time you set yourself back ten years.

But if you’re the best, then don’t listen to me. And if you are, I look forward to watching your films. I wish you the best. Let me know if I can answer any more questions about transition. I’m happy to help.

My delema? California has a $0 * and a asterik stating CA public undergradute schools are paid for by the state?!@?@ this can’t be right! and college isn’t free for residents of CA i don’t think…My U of Phx staff told me that too. What is going on? i really need that San Diego E-5 BAH w/depend $ for my plan for ch33 to work. Help…iv’e seen two different tuition charts for the 9/11 GI bill with different rates per credit and per semester!! one shows $0.00 and the other shows a very low in my opinion $254 per credit hr/$4,806 fee per term and the other is $0* per credit hr/ $6,586.54 fees per term…I just dont understand what im missing…this is ONLY California it seems

Does this mean that if I received my Certificate of Eligibility for the Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33) that I am too late? Have I already lost my Chapter 30?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to research this if you do.

Kevin Vandriel

Kevin, I do not know for sure, but it sounds like you are fully on Chp 33, never to see Chp 30 again.

I am attending grad school full-time. It is a 12 month program, began in May 2009 and ends in May 2010. When the summer session ended and the fall session began, I was no longer able to verify my attendance and receive my MGIB payments. I have been calling the VA, but their automated system simply informs me that all representatives are busy right now and to call back later. I called my senator, but was not impressed by the help I got from her staffer. I am chapter 30, and use my payments for stuff like gasoline and mortgage payments: two things that you really can’t “float”.
I went to my VA rep at the beginning of the September, and she said that I was put back in the system and it should be any day now; that was over two weeks ago. She also said that this time I wouldn’t need to re-register at the start of a new semester. Somehow I doubt that I won’t have this exact problem come the spring.
My question to all of you is: WTF can I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Jeff,

I’m not sure why - and I may be way off base on this, but for some reason I remember being told that while being a beneficiary of the Chapter 33 GI Bill, I am not allowed to have a part time job in addition to my full course load. Is this true or am I crazy? I’ve been researching but cannot find anything concrete.
Please advise!

-Stephen

“veterans eligible for the Chapter 30 MGIB that exhaust all of their benefits under Chapter 30 may then change to the Chapter 33 Post-9/11 G.I. Bill for an additional 12 months of benefits under Chapter 33.” I do not fully understand this, but it appears like it might sweeten the deal even more for veterans using Chapter 30. The blurb appears here on the VA website. I suggest talking with a VA representative personally about this plan, as it doesn’t seem to be as well-documented as all other facets of the change.”

It’s not fully documented because it was changed. When ch. 33 first came out, you could only exhaust ch. 30 if you had 6 months or less. Hence, me with 9 months went ahead and switched since I pay for all my schooling and do more then half and so would make more. Now, they say you can just exhaust and make no mention of a limit of how much ch. 30 months you can use and then switch. Yeah, for me, i lucked out… yes, that is sarcasm. They should credit me some months, but alas I don’t think they will.

Thanks for the information! I’m going to go on the delayed entry program not really going out to boot camp until Jan. 2011 (heard this bumps off a few mths, not sure if true). I am trying to figure out how the system works (schooling/military benefits) before I join so I can have a plan, and a back up plan. Thanks for the posts, they really help out. It also encourages me to stick to my goals (healthy weight, marines, education). I’m hoping to go to ASU after my years in the military are over.. I hope everything is going well with you and your family.

Wish me luck.
Simone