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	<description>If you're not angry with me yet, just keep reading.</description>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://midnight.hushedcasket.com/2007/09/06/of-marine-language/comment-page-1/#comment-42464</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My house has, at one time, held an army combat medic AND a marine and the milspeak flew. Combine that with prison jargon and medicalspeak and you have an intersting house. I don't see the point in changing it. He (the marine) is going to re-up. And the former combat medic is married to him. Besides, it does convey things at times, clearly and succinctly, does it not? 

Glad you're enjoying the lack of resonsibility and that you made it home, in one piece, humour intact. My blessings and my gratefulness for the boys and girls in the sandbox and the ones that serve elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My house has, at one time, held an army combat medic AND a marine and the milspeak flew. Combine that with prison jargon and medicalspeak and you have an intersting house. I don&#8217;t see the point in changing it. He (the marine) is going to re-up. And the former combat medic is married to him. Besides, it does convey things at times, clearly and succinctly, does it not? </p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re enjoying the lack of resonsibility and that you made it home, in one piece, humour intact. My blessings and my gratefulness for the boys and girls in the sandbox and the ones that serve elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Cigars Stars and Stripes.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Marine Talk</title>
		<link>http://midnight.hushedcasket.com/2007/09/06/of-marine-language/comment-page-1/#comment-42235</link>
		<dc:creator>Cigars Stars and Stripes.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Marine Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Akimoto</title>
		<link>http://midnight.hushedcasket.com/2007/09/06/of-marine-language/comment-page-1/#comment-41806</link>
		<dc:creator>Akimoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People around me keep saying that army is a transition to manhood, but I never knew that the army could also change the way you talk and asscociate with people in the civilian social circle. Now I'm rather nervous about what's going to happen to me; going in 5 months from now. 

It may sound selfish, but from what I have heard (from the vets, God bless them) I pray I won't get posted to Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People around me keep saying that army is a transition to manhood, but I never knew that the army could also change the way you talk and asscociate with people in the civilian social circle. Now I&#8217;m rather nervous about what&#8217;s going to happen to me; going in 5 months from now. </p>
<p>It may sound selfish, but from what I have heard (from the vets, God bless them) I pray I won&#8217;t get posted to Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Johnson Jr.</title>
		<link>http://midnight.hushedcasket.com/2007/09/06/of-marine-language/comment-page-1/#comment-39818</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Johnson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention in your blog that "I feel awkward when I call him Mr.So-and-so because I feel like I look too rigid, but using his first name feels equally awkward."

And I certainly an empathize with you. As a PhD candidate I have a conflicted time negotiating the various levels of socially appropriate language and locating myself in that hieararchy.   I will be graduting with my PhD shortly.  As a graduate student I am at the apex of the educational hiearchy but I'm still not a faculty member (i.e. I'm not employeed yet) and so I do not possess the imprimature of acceptance.  Does this make me less of a Doctor?  Not educationally, but some might say not having a job which indicates a university's willingness to stamp you with approval might suggest something about my other qualifications (like personality or teaching ability rather than research)...and I soon learned another interesting observation.

Everyone with a PhD isn't the same.  Yes we are all called Doctor so and so but having just graduated compared with someone who has 20 years of post graduate professional experience is a big difference but we both would be called the same thing (althought I would still feel inferior professionally, despite the great equalizer of our education).

I recommend doing what makes you feel most confortable given the social milieu in which you find yourself.  Continuing to use the respectful (and I would argue much more appropriate) Dr. so and so is preferably to you feeling uncomfortable when speaking with that person.  First you will always be correct and second, they ARE used to it, even if it doesn't occur as frequently in their current position.

I am 28 years old and probably around the same age as you are, yet with being a PhD would make me significantly higher rank (I'm told by a relentless group of recruiters that I start off as a Major) in the military (Clinical Psychology) and would certainly be problematic for me.  I can't imagine how uncomfortable that could make me but we are adaptable creatures!  Hang in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention in your blog that &#8220;I feel awkward when I call him Mr.So-and-so because I feel like I look too rigid, but using his first name feels equally awkward.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I certainly an empathize with you. As a PhD candidate I have a conflicted time negotiating the various levels of socially appropriate language and locating myself in that hieararchy.   I will be graduting with my PhD shortly.  As a graduate student I am at the apex of the educational hiearchy but I&#8217;m still not a faculty member (i.e. I&#8217;m not employeed yet) and so I do not possess the imprimature of acceptance.  Does this make me less of a Doctor?  Not educationally, but some might say not having a job which indicates a university&#8217;s willingness to stamp you with approval might suggest something about my other qualifications (like personality or teaching ability rather than research)&#8230;and I soon learned another interesting observation.</p>
<p>Everyone with a PhD isn&#8217;t the same.  Yes we are all called Doctor so and so but having just graduated compared with someone who has 20 years of post graduate professional experience is a big difference but we both would be called the same thing (althought I would still feel inferior professionally, despite the great equalizer of our education).</p>
<p>I recommend doing what makes you feel most confortable given the social milieu in which you find yourself.  Continuing to use the respectful (and I would argue much more appropriate) Dr. so and so is preferably to you feeling uncomfortable when speaking with that person.  First you will always be correct and second, they ARE used to it, even if it doesn&#8217;t occur as frequently in their current position.</p>
<p>I am 28 years old and probably around the same age as you are, yet with being a PhD would make me significantly higher rank (I&#8217;m told by a relentless group of recruiters that I start off as a Major) in the military (Clinical Psychology) and would certainly be problematic for me.  I can&#8217;t imagine how uncomfortable that could make me but we are adaptable creatures!  Hang in there!</p>
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		<title>By: Military and CopSpeak: Brian Turner Explains &#171; The Scribblerist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Military and CopSpeak: Brian Turner Explains &#171; The Scribblerist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I particularly enjoyed his post on the disconnect between military and civilian language, &#8220;Of Marine Language.&#8221; He spins an excellent narrative about how the Marine language expresses a more orderly, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scribblerist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scribblerist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion of language. I'm a former English major and current starving writer and I found your need for precision refreshing. Perhaps English majors and Marines have more in common than I thought. 
I'd love to hear more on readjusting &amp; thanks for your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion of language. I&#8217;m a former English major and current starving writer and I found your need for precision refreshing. Perhaps English majors and Marines have more in common than I thought.<br />
I&#8217;d love to hear more on readjusting &amp; thanks for your service.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15 years later (okay maybe 19) and I still use milspeak. 

For the most part the people around me have learned what I mean with them. Sometimes they even pick things up. "Wilco" ("I understand and WILl COmply") and a few others. 

Our networking folk now use what they think is an phonetic alphabet and I find their word choice vastly amusing sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15 years later (okay maybe 19) and I still use milspeak. </p>
<p>For the most part the people around me have learned what I mean with them. Sometimes they even pick things up. &#8220;Wilco&#8221; (&#8221;I understand and WILl COmply&#8221;) and a few others. </p>
<p>Our networking folk now use what they think is an phonetic alphabet and I find their word choice vastly amusing sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading you blog and found it very interesting how you are dealing with you return home. Im always glad to hear a soldier has returned home safe. goodluck with everything.     amber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading you blog and found it very interesting how you are dealing with you return home. Im always glad to hear a soldier has returned home safe. goodluck with everything.     amber.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
		<link>http://midnight.hushedcasket.com/2007/09/06/of-marine-language/comment-page-1/#comment-35071</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sorry, but thankful for you.  I have two boys and an handicapped daughter and a husband going thru mid-life.  He just turned 40.  God!  would I not love for him to see what you have seen and done what you have done and been thru what you have been thru to be able to just grow up.  He has recently decided he would rather live with his Mommy again.  You always think YOU have it bad, but there is someone else that has it worse.  Thank you so much for you huuggs and kissesss from me and my 3 children that you chose to fight for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry, but thankful for you.  I have two boys and an handicapped daughter and a husband going thru mid-life.  He just turned 40.  God!  would I not love for him to see what you have seen and done what you have done and been thru what you have been thru to be able to just grow up.  He has recently decided he would rather live with his Mommy again.  You always think YOU have it bad, but there is someone else that has it worse.  Thank you so much for you huuggs and kissesss from me and my 3 children that you chose to fight for.</p>
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		<title>By: jayfallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayfallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hardest transition I had was probably answering the phone and reminding myself not to advise people that they were speaking on an unsecured line. I got out fifteen years ago and to this day I rarely answer the phone.

Roger that, beaucoup, riki-tik, stand-by and other Marinese still form an important part of my vocabulary. Roger means a lot more than Ok.

Some of the annoying habits/mannerisms that I've picked up are thanking people, selling hello and goodbye. But apathy remains strong. 

I was somewhat able to get around the social naming conventions by coupling a person's first and last names together when referring to them in the third person, and simply avoiding using their name when talking to them directly.

You'll figure it out over time, but nothing beats being devoid of responsibility. Till this day I shun it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hardest transition I had was probably answering the phone and reminding myself not to advise people that they were speaking on an unsecured line. I got out fifteen years ago and to this day I rarely answer the phone.</p>
<p>Roger that, beaucoup, riki-tik, stand-by and other Marinese still form an important part of my vocabulary. Roger means a lot more than Ok.</p>
<p>Some of the annoying habits/mannerisms that I&#8217;ve picked up are thanking people, selling hello and goodbye. But apathy remains strong. </p>
<p>I was somewhat able to get around the social naming conventions by coupling a person&#8217;s first and last names together when referring to them in the third person, and simply avoiding using their name when talking to them directly.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll figure it out over time, but nothing beats being devoid of responsibility. Till this day I shun it.</p>
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