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Thoughts on Jarhead

Posted by Midnight on May 31st, 2006

The movie Jarhead, an adaptation of a book written by former Marine Anthony Swofford, created much controversy in the military community when it was released. Reactions ran the gamut of apathy, excitement, and disgust. I have since watched the film more than once, and discussed it with many Marines. The following is a brief description of my opinion of the movie and the opinions I have found in some of my Marines.

Jarhead posterI think Jarhead is an entertaining movie. It should be watched with its author in mind, an infantry lance corporal (E-3) who was reduced in rank to private (E-1) as the result of non-judicial punishment (NJP). I do not say this with an elitist attitude, but it is a simple fact that I do not attribute equal weight to all people’s opinions, and I think if we were all honest with ourselves everyone would claim this as true. I do not expect Bill Gates to seriously entertain my thoughts on software marketing strategies. Similarly, while a young Marine’s memoirs of his deployment to the Gulf War are absolutely valid for telling the story from his perspective, the applicability of his thoughts to national military strategy is limited, to say the least. Most lance corporals I know are 19-21 year-old recent high school graduates. God knows I’m glad there wasn’t a movie made about my perspective of the world at 20 years old. Yes, I’m only 25, but the last 5 years added 25% to my recent tally of years. It also puts me half-way through another “idiot cycle.” So the saying goes, you are really an idiot, it just takes you ten years to realize it. Think about yourself ten years ago. Were you an idiot? Did you think so then? This rule probably has a point of diminishing returns around the age of 45-50, but I still think it’s pretty shrewd. Once again, this is not to devalue Mr. Swofford’s opinions, but to help the audience keep them in perspective.

I think Jarhead will be difficult for non-military and even non-Marines to fully understand. Specifically, I think some will attribute specific training in the movie to meanness or hazing. Do not be confused, there are definitely some mistakes made by Swofford’s leadership portrayed in the movie. However, I question the validity of many of these events. I think most were probably added to the movie for dramatic effect.

First, I’ll address Swofford’s experience at boot camp. Besides being struck by his drill instructor, this seems fairly accurate to my experience at OCS and other Marines’ experiences at boot camp. OCS is not like boot camp, but the attitudes are basically the same, and those portrayed in the movie are accurate. Being physically struck during introductory training is a matter that has received much attention in the Marine Corps. In today’s Marine Corps it is strictly forbidden. Drill instructors that violate this policy are dealt with severely. However, this has not always been the case. I cannot say with definiteness whether this policy was in effect in 1990-1991. I know plenty of Vietnam and Grenada era veterans have said this was common place when they went through recruit training. Did Mr. Swofford’s DI smash his head into a chalk-board? I don’t know—perhaps. What are the chances it could happen today without the DI getting booted from the Marine Corps? Slim to none.

Next, let’s look at the scene where a Marine gets shot in the head by his instructor’s machinegun while low-crawling under concertina wire during scout-sniper training. This is bologna, plain and simple. No responsible leader would ever set up a live fire exercise like that. The only remotely safe way to set it up would be to elevate the machinegun (a 7.62mm M240E/G in the movie) above the height the tallest Marine could jump, and add a couple feet. Then set the traverse and elevate (T&E) mechanism on the machinegun tripod so it could not fire below that height.

Next, the training they did in the desert. While listening to Mr. Swofford’s commentary I couldn’t help but think to myself “How would he have rather spent his downtime?” I can tell you from experience, physical work is preferable to extended periods of time with absolutely nothing to do. Marines, especially scout-snipers, need to know how to patrol, clear minefields (OK, not as necessary for this war), and get their NBC suits on at a moment’s notice. Some will see this and think “That mean Staff Sergeant. He made those guys patrol the empty desert and throw their NBC suits on whenever he wanted.” It’s called training. One of my previous Marines told me that in OIF I his command made them do NBC drills almost every day. He then added that it was effective, because by the end he could get his mask and suit on “really fast.” Hydrating is another interesting part of the movie and Marine Corps culture. I know it sounds looney, but in a desert environment like that I can absolutely see the necessity to supervise how much water your Marines drink by making them drink periodically. You may not believe me, but some PFC would end up going down as a heat casualty. In a combat environment you can’t let that happen.

Finally, I can’t offer as much insight into the personal and mental issues Mr. Swofford experienced, but only offer my opinions. Perhaps it’s cold, but if you’re constantly tormented by the fact your girlfriend/spouse may be unfaithful, is she really that grand a prize? If you don’t trust them, why would you be in a serious relationship with them? I have never been in that situation, but I like to think I would say to her suitor “Have at it, buddy. Better you than me. She’ll turn on you too as soon as times get tough.” I suppose I really don’t know enough about this subject to speak intelligently about it.

I suppose you can summarize Jarhead as “the Gulf War really sucked for Anthony Swofford.” Isn’t that a pity? At least he went home without serious mental or physical injury. At least he went home, period. I’ve known Marines who can’t say the same. However, I found it an entertaining and thought-provoking movie. Just because you don’t agree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean that opinion isn’t interesting and insightful at some level. Of course, it could always be a load of crap too.



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Is there any point in seeing the movie? Wouldn’t it be better to read the book, which presumably is closer to the author’s actual thoughts?

I liked the book a lot more than the movie, mostly because it offers a more in depth look into the author than a 2 hour movie can.

I dont dispute either that there were things he could be doing there in the desert while waiting, but after 100 days in the sandbox, I am sure the list of “things to do” dwindles.

Train like you fight. Hard.

If only everyone could read this… It’s funny how many people think war movies are 100% the truth.

As a leader of any physically demanding job, in intense heat, it is absolutely necessary to monitor how much your buddies/co-workers are drinking. I know, I have had heat exhaustion twice… and let me tell you, it sucks! You really have to force yourself to drink water. I do at least. If you don’t you will start feeling like you can’t drink at all, and that is when you start going down hill. It’s hard to believe, but people really won’t drink water when they need to. They may not think they need to, and that is when it becomes a leader’s responsibility to make sure his team stays hydrated.

Nice review, Jeff. Maybe you should start writing movie review periodically. Seriously, that would be interesting.

You mean Black Hawk Down isn’t 100% accurate?!?! NOOOO!!! :) j/k

I think I’m on a 5 year schedule.

“This rule probably has a point of diminishing returns around the age of 45-50″ Umm, sorry, but no, hate to tell you, the idiot cycle continues only I think it shortens to about 6-7 years.

Thank you for writing this - I was wondering what the “insider” view of the movie was. The whole time I was watching I couldn’t help but remember how bad the media coverage was at the time. (And people think it’s bad now.) When the first Gulf War happened it was portrayed as a week long high-tech video game with lots of splashy night vision pictures and no real consequences. The pictures in Time magazine of charred bodies and stories of vets with Gulf War syndrome came later after everyone had moved on to the next big thing.

I walked away from the movie with mixed emotions. My first thought was kind of a fond memory jog of the lingo and behavior of young Marines. But then my fiance’ decided to tell me how she thought it was an accurate depiction of the troops boredom and frustration. I was pissed that that was all she got out of the movie. I thought to myself, “geeze, is this how the public sees us?” Just a bunch of kids who don’t have a clue how to conduct themselves or understand the reasons the infantry does what they do. There was nothing in the movie that I didn’t see during my time in the desert, but to cram it all into two hours was just overwhelming. I think it gives the general public and warped impression of life in a combat zone. I was further pissed because it left my fiance’ believing that indeed, it was a week of high tech video games and should have just been taken care of by dropping more bombs. She just couldn’t understand, (and it stands to reason) nor does any other combat un-initiated, the reason for putting troops on the ground. The press coverage was non-existant where my infantry unit was and when I got home I was astonished at the footage of training was used as combat footage. I just want to reiterate, there were no reporters and no women with my unit that entered Kuwait the night before the ground war kicked off.
I remember being very scared at times, and frustrated that we stopped where we did. We trained very hard to do a job that we were very capable of doing. The mental stress of not knowing if your next breath is your last, or being told that we didn’t know how effective the air campaign would be. We were told to expect very high casualties and accepted that. While waiting to go over the hill, we had a lot of down time, trained and walked patrols. I’m very proud of my service in the gulf and just as proud of ALL the troops who were there with me. Again, I have to say, there were very accurate scenes in the movie but overall I have to agree with the author of this blog. It was merely an opinion of one man whose view was probably warped by his own outlook.

The machine gun accident was just plain BS. I doubt that any NCOIC of an exercise like that, (and having one of your troops killed), would most likely end up in Levinworth.

I’ve been waiting since way back when I first mentioned this movie in a comment I made to see when you might say something about validity of this movie. I had mixed feelings about the movie. I didn’t believe the part where the marine got shot in the head during the exercise. I just didn’t. I thought maybe years ago before there were more strict rules and regulations as there are now but we were talking about the time frame of the Gulf War. As far as where they stood mentally I had no idea. I can’t imagine what it’s like to walk in any of your shoes. I was excited to read your post and the comments from others who have been in combat and served. I like to watch movies and read books but it’s you guys I really wanna hear from. Stay safe and God Bless.

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My husband and I just watched the movie Jarhead and frankly was very put off by it. It gives you the impression that there are a bunch of half-crazed trained killers with nothing to do but wait to kill all the while tetering on the edge of insanity! Now, I actually got up and walked out of the room because it just was a bad movie to me. However, I know that Marines are trained to kill and they have a different outlook on life than the layperson, but my goodness, it leads the viewer to believe that the Marines that were there, were either all or somewhat twisted, scared, horny and bored! I choose to hold a higher view of the Marines.
At age 25, you are just beginning to understand life…at nearly 40 I can say that with confidence! We are just now realizing many things going down the hill!

Jarhead was hysterical…like you said if you aren’t a Marine you might not get it…It reminds me of the days in NC…very funny…I also liked the fact that they showed that the government doesn’t always have the greatest gear in the world. Not to mention I don’t think Swofford was a true scout sniper I heard he never completed the school. Whatever. There is always 3 sides to the story right?

Question the guy that played his spotter…was he the same kid from Pitch Black??? the one who played Jack..I knwo it was supposed to be a female..but I was wondering

I read the book and liked it enough to send to my dad to read while he was in Iraq. I tried to watch the movie but it really bothered me so I turned it off after a little while. I think the book is a better source of what the author actually experienced and felt.

I don’t really like the term “trained to kill” personally, it gives the impression that that is all Marines do. I think it would be better put “trained to do what they have to do”, that may include eliminating the enemy, but it also includes helping those in need. I know that is not what anyone meant by it, I just have seen so many people say that and just thought I would share my humble thoughts… such as they are. :)

I wrote a piece titled “Welcome To The Suck” which I posted in my blog, about my utter disdain for Anthony…his book…this movie…and is bad mouthing of the Military and THIS war in Iraq.

“In his book he writes ” I hated being a Marine because more than all of the things in the world I wanted to be—smart, famous, oversexed, drunk, fucked, high, alone, famous, smart, known, understood, loved, forgiven, oversexed, drunk, high, smart, sexy—more than all of those things, I was a Marine. A jarhead.”

His contempt for the Corps combined with his desire to be famous, which is no doubt why he wrote the book, is distainful. All Tony wants is his 15 minutes of fame and he’s got it. But he isn’t worthy of the attention, nor of calling himself a Marine.”
(…)
“Jarhead” doesnt examine the challenges or celebrate the day to day courage that our Marines and soldiers face; its a 1hr and 55min insult to the men and women of the Marines Corps. The Marines are the Few and The Proud, these Marines are the few and the pathetic!”

“Welcome to The Suck” - a great tagline that aptly describes this film.

On another note, Jeff, you wrote a wonderful piece for Michael Yon’s Frontline Forum.

I encourage everyone to please go check it out.
http:// www.michaelyon-online.com/flf/

Lisa, when is the last time you spent some time around 19 year old men? I think horny, twisted, and easily bored is pretty accurate…especially of the Marine Corps variety. One unfortunate fact of the Marine Corps that I too had to accept is that we have to recruit from the human population. Our indoctrination and training programs go a long way towards weeding out those who don’t belong, but every vice you can imagine in society is still present in the Marine Corps. This reminds me of my usual counter to the people who say “all military service-members are heroes”: If that’s true, why do we have a brig? In any given year we punish Marines for DUI, stealing, failing to pay child support, failing to pay bills, being UA (just not showing up to work), disrespecting officers, dereliction of duty, and a gamut of other offenses. I’m speaking from experience in my battalion, which is made up of 26xx Marines who have the highest GT (a standardized test) score requirement in the Marine Corps. I can’t imagine the problems an infantry battalion sees each week.

In garrison (not deployed) I’d say 70% of my time is spent fixing problems—problems of miscommunication, lack of clarity, lack of education, lack of mutual respect, and sometimes even discipline. I think if there were no problems we probably wouldn’t need officers.

Slayer, Marines are trained to do a lot of things. Killing the enemy is one of them, and probably the most important. I’m also trained to exercise tactics, run a long way with a rifle and combat load, write performance evaluation reports, and many other things necessary for an officer. However, lining up my clear front sight tip with a human silhouette was one of the first things I learned. Knowing the maximum effective ranges of all our weapons and how to call for artillery and close air support closely followed. Nobody ever trained me to hand out soccer balls. That just seemed like the right thing to do at the time. As this war continues and the particular needs of it are discovered, the Marine Corps has begun teaching cultural awareness, customs, limited language skills, and has created a large focus on support and stability operations (SASO). However, killing the enemy has always been our #1 mission. We’ve been doing it successfully for 231 years. In my opinion, the Marine Corps is ill-suited for SASO. Traditionally, we land on a beach, kill everything holding a weapon, clear a path for the army to move in, and then it’s Miller time. Having to remain in an area for a long period of time to quell an insurgency is quite the atypical mission for us, but just like Vietnam, we will adapt to any mission.

Bottom line: the phrase “trained to kill” doesn’t bother me. It’s the essence of what we do. Our current conflict doesn’t allow for the employment of the concept like wars against a conventional army, but we are adapting. Still, sometimes we feel like polar bears in San Diego.

Well, seeing that I have a 17 year old daughter…I am around a a lot of bored teens and yes, I understand that they are still kids. I only mean to say that I like to think that the men and women who are Marines maintain a certain level that puts them above what is portrayed in Jarhead…but after all they are just people and I am sure they make mistakes, have desires, have troubles with money and have their breaking points. However, this movie Jarhead made it seem to me that they were all angry, bored and tetering on the edge of insanity. I should hope that is not the case. I really hope that there is a realization that what the Marines do, what they stand for in the eyes of Americans is so much more. That is why we call you The Few, The Proud, The Marines! You are an elite group that has to withstand extreme pressure on behalf of your country. So it is with pride and honor that each and every Marine that sets forth on a mission whether it be this war or other missions, remember that every step you take should be in HONOR of your country. That your country holds you in the highest regard for what you do on their behalf and grieve when any Marine is hurt or killed. I do not doubt that the same things happen in the society of the Marine Corps that happens in ordinary society, but you are set apart as a unique, honorable group that is yes, trained to kill when necessary. I also feel for those who have been deployed there 2, 3 and 4 times. I am sure that their mental status and battle fatigue is definitely showing its’ effects but please remember that with your every step, we are proud of our Marines and we pray for your safe and swift return!

Also Midnight,

If you all feel that you being there is no longer serving any purpose, if you believe there is more harm being done than good, let us know. I will personally mount a mission to bring you home!

God Speed!
Lisa

Midnight, yeah, I know that your job is to do the tough job of killing our nation’s enemies. I just don’t want people to think that Marines are mindless killing machines that have no feelings or emotions. I guess it’s not that big of a deal. I just want our nation’s youth to have more respect for our armed forces, I hear many people my age putting down the military as being stupid, mindless killers, simply because they do not agree with the war. I dunno, I guess I just feel like we should counter that attitude with the truth. Killing the enemy isn’t all you guys do, although it may be one of your primary jobs. You guys go on humanitarian stuff too, and I would want to show people that whenever possible, perhaps that would change peoples attitudes towards the military… but I doubt it. The youth of our country are so ignorant these days, they will believe anything in the media, and most of what is in the media is negative towards the military. I just want people, teens in particular, to have more respect for our countries defenders.

I read about half the paperback until I just HAD to cut the
pages up and throw it away, so no one else could read it.
I don’t hold much truck with a Marine that took his
benefits, went to college with them, and became a professor
at a small college, enabling him to write in his spare
time. I have a friend who took his benefits after Navy
service to be a doctor and it has profited his whole life, yet he is for Kerry and anti-the war. He is not AS vocal
about it, but I still just can’t stand the attitude, ya
know!!!! It also sounds like the movie significantly
altered some things in the book, for the worse.

Well, duh, I was trying to say he was SO negative about the
service in the book that I just couldn’t stand to read
any more of it!!!
Some things were actually funny and probably too typical of
19 year olds away from the home town, like deciding who would drive the car, it being the guy who had consumed the least number of beers, around 6.
And his despair to the point of his putting a pistol in his
mouth but deciding at the last minute to not pull the trigger was indeed real.
He just was so DOWN on the military, for a person whose
entire life was enhanced by it, that I just got sick and
had to throw it out!!!! The bloggers I’ve found do MUCH
better…..

Typo alert: His name’s Swofford with two O’s. Better you should hear it from a friend…

I haven’t seen the movie, but I rather enjoyed the book. I don’t agree with much of his antipathy to the Corps, but there were some perceptive–or at least perceptive sounding–passages in there. For instance:

“Swofford, do you wonder why I look old enough to be your grandpop but I’m still a ####### staff sergeant?”
“No, Staff Sergeant.”
“Because in Vietnam I beat a lieutenant over the head with my E-tool. He wanted to send my platon into a gook valley, and I told him to #### himself, to which he told me he’d send me to the brig, to which I pulled out my E-tool and split open his ####### head before calling in a medevac for his dumb ###. I didn’t go to the brig but I
lost my stripes. An hour later another platoon went up that valley and got carved to ####. Poof, the sorry ####### were dead and gone. My platoon mates still send me birthday cards, did you know that?”
“I didn’t know that, Staff Sergeant.”
“Well, now you do. And stop calling me staff sergeant. Was your old man in the war?”
“He was in the air force. He built hot runways.”
“The ####### air farce. He ever tell you about it? Did he live?”
“Yes, he lived. He spoke once about Vietnam.”
“If he only spoke once, he wasn’t lying.”

Some wars are unavoidable and need well be fought, but this doesn’t erase warfare’s terrible waste. Sorry, we must say to the mothers whose sons will die horribly. This will never end. Sorry.

I joined the Marine Corps in part to impose domestic structure upon my life, to find a home. But Marine Corps domesticity always ends. As much as you love your fellow jarheads and love field life and training and firing weapons, you will someday hav to leave the Corps, at least spiritually, and find a partner and possibly have children and create a realistic domestic realm. The simple domesticity of the Marine Corps is seductive and dangerous. Some men claim to love the Corps more than they love their own mother or wife or children–this is because loving the Corps is uncomplicated. The Corps always waits up for you. The Corps forgives your drunkeness and stupidity. The Corps encourages your brutality.

On the return drive the women abused us verbally for being U.S. Marines. The passenger laughed that we would dare to call Desert Storm a war, and she told us her uncle had helped burn thousands of Jews before escaping to South America, and no matter what side a person had fought for in World War II, *that* was a war, not an “operation” with boys returning home complaining of false ailments because they hadn’t fought long or hard enough.
I told her quite confidently that our war was important not because of duration or the number of dead and tortured and burned, but simply because we’d been there and only so many men know the horror of war and the fear, and they must suffer it, no matter the war’s suspected atrociousness, because societies are made, in part, by the
men who have fought. I told her that the importance of a war is never decided within years and certainly not within months, but rather in decades, or even centuries. After V Day the vision of the visitors is obscured by champagne and skirts and parades, increased profit, decreased loss, and joy, for the war is over and the enemy dead. The
war is over and the enemy dead.

I’ll gladly buy any veteran his Paxil, for having saved all of our futures by putting holes in the terrorists for us.

Let’s just say it was NOT a book that should be read by a recently widowed mom whose only child was aboard MCRD SD (Marine Corp boot camp for the uninitiated) at the time of said reading. To say that I was second guessing his decision to join the Corps would be an understatement. My Marine, on the other hand, read it while waiting to class up at his MOS school and really liked the book.

I hated the book, won’t watch the movie. Your mileage will, hopefully, vary. *g*

I watched the movie last night, and then watched it again with the commentary by Anthony Swofford and the screenwriter. If you listen to the commentary, you’d find that Anthony Swofford actually agrees with most of the points you make. He also wasn’t demoted in reality, that was just in the movie.

I wouldn’t put the enlisted man and his attitude down too much. They do make up most of the USMC and take most of the casualties. NJP is pretty common too.
On the subject of physical abuse at MCRD SD and later. It hasn’t changed much. It just moved away from where the senior DI can see it such as the shower room, or after he leaves (with I believe he approves anyway). When we picked our freshly minted Marine up at MCRD SD and he finally started to degass and talk after a couple of days, I found myself getting rather enraged at what in some cases was simply bestial sadism, sometimes for fun, I couldn’t believe I shook his DI’s hand. Perhaps not every class is like what has been portrayed but it sure is for some. There was even a case of very serious injury due an altercation with a DI for one unfortunate recruit who found he could not fly after all. Even if the recruit gets smacked a bit less often out in public, such things as water pt are common: “forced to drink a bunch of water, tomato sauce, and gobs of hot sauce, then PT’d in the hot sun until the retching won’t stop” and is equally as bad. I’d rather get smacked myself. Inside the Gass mask training room is also an ideal place to get a punch in the gut for not breathing in the terrible stuff. The practice of egging the recruits to perform a little of their own ‘motivational training’ on a non-hacker is also alive and well. As far as weeding out those that don’t belong…they don’t really weed out enlisted much. They just hammer them until they do fit. My young Marine graduated as one of the surviving original 1/3 of his class who were not simply recycled into the next class, the other 2/3 on the parade ground with him had been in MCRD as many as three cycle attempts. Very few actually got sent home. I understand the needs of combat, I understand tough training for a very tough job. The USMC trains to produce as tough and battle ready fighters (one kills in combat) as it can in the time allowed. As far as I could tell, they employ a bit of ‘beat the dog till it turns vicious’ method. I think its called ‘forming’. So we shouldn’t be too surprised when it sometimes produces an ugly result or someone’s book about it doesn’t meet with Mom’s approval. I’m perfectly ready to accept his account in the book for his particular experience. But why make a movie of Jarhead? No way would it make a good movie without changing things in a big way. There are far more exciting accounts for hollywood to use.

John

hazing is alive and well in usmc boot camp. Just done on the sly now. Have had a relative recently graduate and some of his friends………..some di`s need to be in the brig.

The book was true in some ways and false in others. First many Marines I knwe were scum it is true. THey did latch on to the idea of women being just pussy - the fuck girls base filth life. And they also did act in vile manners with foul mouths joking about homsexual nonesense and shameless refrerences to porniograpy borrowing porn to go to the shower on ship ect. It was discouraging and sad that quite a few allowed them selves to become pigs. And Swafford apparently was one of these godless pigs who admits to stealing from other marines and going from one grirl / whore to another. He lived life without God or universal law - life was experence for him stickin old rounds in his mouth to feel it. So very pathitic and sick when men relegate themselves to animlas and seek a high be that drugs or drink or women or the strange knowlede to kwon u kilt another. He is an intelligent fool who writes well but torments himself becuse he rejects God. Therefore he is doomed and I see nothing but a sad sick life ahead for him no doubt full of alchool and his now bloated body as he slips from his self made living hell into the real one. There is hope for him but I honestly have no faith for him…

Having seen the Jahra Highway first hand and having been in the Gulf, I didn’t particularly care for the movie. I think it is a movie that ought to be watched by young troopers just like Black Hawk Down ought to be. Granted they are dramatized by Hollywood, but they show that things can go bad and that military life isn’t necessarily always like a game of HALO or “romantic.”

Personally, I can’t watch it again. The Jahra Highway scene gave me flashback nightmares and pissed me off for a week. It had been years since I had dreamt of that hole, now I am going back.

I have never been in the army and do not wish to be for two reasons:
a) I am too young at the moment anyway
b) I am a total tart and could not face up to the conditions.
I do however try to see things from the soldier’s point of view and I can sympatise. Civilians like me will never totally understand the moral codes and practices of the army but if we at least tried to, then society would be a lot better off. This sounds like hippy-poofter talk but I reckon it’s true.
I have seen the movie and am reading the book and I think that both give a valuable insight into life in the army and just go to show that things are tough but they have to be because it will be useful when combat rears it’s ugly head. I guess combat is more scary and tougher than anything we can imagine. All these wankers who say that the military is too violent or whatever the hell they go on about are talking bollocks. They have clearly been about as near to a warzone as I have (which is not very near by any stretch of the imagination). I feel that until you have been in any such situation, you cannot comment… err… so there.

He was not demoted in real life. This was fabricated in the film. In real life he was promoted after desert storm. check your facts from now on.

Many of you have awfully closed minds on subjects of which you know nothing about. I have not been in the Marine Corps, Army, Air Force or Navy. I know nothing of the horrors of combat. I try my best, however, to not delude myself by believing that you can train a man to fight in combat as a job and then expect him to also behave as a perfect gentleman not only in the presence of civilians but also with his peers. The circumstances of war are different. It changes you. The training helps reduce the impact of combat, but the impact of training is just as great. Anthony Swofford does not paint the Marine Corps as an evil or benign organisation; he tells a complex tale of his impressions of war, his impressions of the corps, and his impressions of fellow marines. He doesn’t pretend that his feelings - or any marine’s feelings - about these issues are either black and white or common to all in the corps. I can only look with disdain upon those of you who look upon disdain with Swofford. Many of you need a reality check, because frankly, the Marine in the recruitment comercials is not the Marine who lives in the boonies out in a warzone or kills enemies. The real marine is no less of a man, no less of a human because of this. If you think the picture painted by Swofford is slander, maybe it’s just because your inflexible views of what a military should be don’t match reality. Every marine is different, but all are equal. This is not your place to judge.

Array

The author of this peice is in Iraq right now? He is a war criminal and should be put on trial. This “person” cannot have a valid opinion if he blindly follows illegal orders. Go and gas some Jews, you fascist tool.

Steve…settle down. Gassing is so impersonal. I think I’d prefer to commit genocide by blade, or maybe strangulation. Have a glorious Tuesday. Toodles.

I’ve never been in the military (too handsome) but Jarhead did give me a feeling of what I imagine it must be like to be stationed overseas fighting boredom and isolation more than the actual enemy.

Swofford may or may not represent the typical Marine, but I do get a sense that the story is true - as perceived by a 20 year old kid who felt that joining was a mistake. All that drilling in the desert must seem pointless and tedious when you got it in your head Marines should be storming hills and planting Iwo Jima flags.

Their actual combat experience can probably be best summed up by Troy’s “this war will move too fast for us” speech. They are a small infantry unit in a war being fought by cruise missles, jets and long range artillery. You truly get a sense of how insignificant their role is in the scope of these battles, and eventually so do they.

I did not get the tone of melancholy at the end of the film though. Ok maybe they didn’t have a sense of accomplishment from being there. They also all managed to survive, not get maimed or crippled and their exposure to the horrors of war was fairly minimal. We’re left feeling Swofford was forever haunted by his experiences in the Gulf but we’re not sure why.

I was a drill intructor during the 80’s and assulting a recruit was a punishable offense even then. Did it happen and the offender not get caught? Yes it did. I served during the Gulf War my unit was in Japan during the start. I can understand the frustration of not going and yet as the author stated at 50 I also often feel blessed that I did not go. What one always wonders when you prepare for battle and do not go is would you have performed as well as those who proceeded you.

The movie had a lot of “hollywood” in it. Name changes and event changes and plenty of things added for effect. Read his book to get a better understanding of his experience. The book tells about his sniper training and deals alot more with his active duty before the war.

I just saw this movie today and was quite confused and rather frightened when I saw it but afterwards I wanted to find out more about it so I found this blog. The parts that I really was frightened about was when the recruit was killed in training camp but as you have proved this does not happen. The second part that I didn’t like was when Swofford is threatening his friend with his rifle. I really did feel bad for his friend afterward and that is the part that bothered me the most.

The movie was about a MARINE. Marines are NOT soldiers. Marines are NOT in the freaking ARMY.

And whether you like the guy or not, he earned the title and he is a MARINE. Once a Marine, always a Marine, so talking about whether he desrves to be one is useless. Especially if you aren’t a Marine.

Furthermore, it’s “Marine” with a capital “M”; it’s a title not an occupation like “florist” “lawyer” or “soldier.” A Marine’s occupation is “killer” with possibly some secondary responsibility like “radio operator” or whatever.

Holy cow I had something to say about the movie but all the slimy, undisciplined comments made me forget about the movie all together.

Semper Fi, nasties.

People, it’s a MOVIE for crying out loud, not a documentary! Why are you complaining about things having been changed, movies are fictional and therefore not necessarily accurate, even when they are based on actual events or someone’s experiences. Don’t you really have any media reading skills, meaning taking what the media, be it movies, newspapers or the frigging CNN offers you with a grain of salt?

As to the movie, I thought it was an entertaining description of what a character called Anthony Swofford went through, and did a good job as such. As to the real Marines, I have nothing but respect for the men and women that put their lives on the line on a daily basis. They are not responsible for the (bad) decisions their leaders make.

Unfortunatley, my idiot cycle has extended. entertaining film, would now want to read the book for some added depth. fair review above, not having enlisted myself, though I can see the draw of mission and camaraderie.

i’ve never read another person’s comment on this movie that i liked as much as yours. everyone else’s seemed too judemental to me. i’ve also been reading through your other entries since reading this one and i find that you’re a very good writer and always seem to find a way to make the norm amusing to read about. great job. i plan on reading the book later. also, wat is your plan on the corps? you gonna re-up?

semper fi

I am ex British army (26 years service) I was a one time sniper, a job I did for six years. I have to say it was the best job I ever had. I was considered an excellent shot, I know I was, I was always given the best sniper tasks! My reason for this email is to say…I do not believe that the the sniper in Jarhead could hit a target at one thousand yards and achieve a head shot each time. Also someone should tell him that The Germans certainly did not use nerve gas in world war one.
Best of luck to the marines in action today; I envy them. For myself, I will admit to this:Having hunted live armed man and enjoyed it, there is nothing else than can excite me now!

I have read my email above over again, I hope it does not give the wrong impression. I was never a “Rambo” just a soldier, also I wanted merely to state that I think the Marine author “guilded the lily” a little with his discription of his combat action and his ability. I read the book whilst on a business trip to China, I had little else to read, so I skipped none of it. One thought came to my mind when I had finished reading;that is that there is a tendancy for some ex soldiers or marines to claim combat stress as an excuse for some sorts of failure after being demobalised. I asked myself if after only 24 hours in action he could feel as bad as he did when he got back home. I then had a second thought. I personaly had a lot to do with the training of British infantry soldiers both at training depots and within battalions, and indeed was a Sergeant intructor at the Royal Military academy Sandurst, involved in the training of young officer cadets. I read with great interest the individual training methods used on the individual Marine. It is as if it is more to do do with building up the individual and not the group to which he belongs. Much of discipline stuff that was imposed on the marine (If it is to be believed) seemed more distructive than constructive. It did not seem to me that it built self respect to the best ability. I am sure it must do, when one considers the regiments archives, but I don’t think the methods would really work on a Brit or a German.
I know it is just a book…perhaps more novel than fact but it is thought provoking!

As a Gulf War vet, I could not wait for this movie to come out. After watching it, I felt like it was 100% accurate, That was because I was caught in the moment. I was defending this movie left and right on Marine message boards. I honestly didn’t understand the anger. After watching the movie again, I was left with a bad taste in my mouth. It depicted us Marines us psychopathic losers and that was not the case. Overall it was probably 50% accurate. The parts that were accurate were great and the parts that were inaccurate were highly exaggerated and really got my blood boiling. There were so many inaccuracies that I lost count. But I can say that we did have our asses kicked by our DIs. We just kept our mouths shut. So I disagree with the Lieutenant on that topic. That being said, I finally understood the other Marines’ anger about this movie. I now have a love/hate relationship with the movie now and I don’t take this movie as serious now and I watch it about once a month when I feel nostalgic about my memories about the Gulf. It’s just a movie made from the point of view of someone that has been actually described as a “shitbird”, a “liar”, and a “buddy fucking back stabber” by people who served with him in the Gulf. So I don’t take it to heart as much as I used to. That being said, I have no respect for Anthony Swofford.

My comments being so long after the release of the movie, I apologise for that, but had to say my piece.

This comment- “Many of you have awfully closed minds on subjects of which you know nothing about. I have not been in the Marine Corps, Army, Air Force or Navy. I know nothing of the horrors of combat. I try my best, however, to not delude myself by believing that you can train a man to fight in combat as a job and then expect him to also behave as a perfect gentleman not only in the presence of civilians but also with his peers. The circumstances of war are different. It changes you.” - kind of bothers me.

I served in the Corps during the period the movie portrays in one of the line platoons active in the Gulf War. The movie itself, to me, tended to take the rough fringes of daily life and the Marines themselves up a notch or two, in order to purposefully display the most difficult, vulgar, and thoughtless parts of our training, lives and personal thoughts. Maybe it was for media impact. But I felt it reduced us as people, and as Marines in a terrible way.

The comment above tends to cement this in my mind. Years after the fact, I own four companys, have a beautiful wife and stepdaughter, and do business in several places on the planet. I don’t expect for my life to be perfect at all time, nor do I believe that behind every rock or tree there is someone waiting to kill me. My time in the Corps and combat hasn’t reduced me or most other Marines I know into mentally disabled or even troubled individuals.

The Corps is indeed made up of a myriad of different types of individuals. Some are more crazy than others. But even for those of us who go through combat, we don’t turn out as foul-mouthed creatures incapable of living in the rest of society.

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I usually have an aversion to most war movies mainly because watching violence affects me strongly - anxiety, nightmares, etc. More personally because my father was an enlisted marine during Vietnam in the mid -sixties.(before I was born} As a child and teenager I was frightened by the idea of war. As a typical girl who wanted everyone to co-exist happily and in peace (preferably playing barbies,having slumber parties and shopping), I couln’t understand why anyone would created violent conflict for any reason. But I knew even as a small child the ugly reality. When my parents separated I saw my Dad having a few violent meltdowns. The words Vietnam war, post-tramatic stress, and agent orange somehow became words I was just as familiar with as “sesame street” and the girl scout song.(Even though I didn’t have a clear idea what they meant - I thought Agent Orange had something to do with the orange tree in our front yard which had my tire swing attached.) I have foggy memories of whispered conversations of the police being called and my dad arrested over another incidence I never witnessed.
As a teeneger I would panic even if my dad began to tell a story about veitnam - even if it was a benign memory of a funny incidence. The phrase “One time in vietnam …” would make my skin crawl. Yet I felt this tremendous pain for my father mixed with a sadness for myself because it contributed to the dismatling of my family and my safety(I wonder if I have my health was effected by agent orange). I had such an inner unexpressed anger and disgust for this government for many years.

Watching Jarhead I was stunned at how close I felt to Tony’s story. That may disgruntle many considering I’ve never experience a War. He and I were born about the same time from fathers who had just come back from Vietnam. While his sister was in the hospital, my mother was in and out of psychiatric hospitals. We both lived in Northern California. I lived with another war veteran, my Grandfather, who was a bit abusive.

I remember being at my grandmothers house when the gulf war started during winter break from college. Again the terror began to form in my soul. I immediately imagined all of my college friends being drafted and killed in a long drawn out conflict. Of course, there was no draft and I didn’t know anyone who served in the Gulf. My grandmother and I made cookies and sent it with a note to a random solder in the gulf. It seems so inadequate now.
I didn’t know what else to do.
But I was affected by war. I don’t see any movies about the children who lives were changed by the effects of war. I know we will hear them, in chourus, during the next 10 to 20 years as the Iraq war children tell their tales. My prayers are with them as well as all veterans.

I wanted to comment on your review of Jarhead and a few comments you had made about how Drill instructors are allowed to treat their recruits and subordinates.

Both my father and my uncle were Drill Instructors in the Marine Corps. My uncle was removed from his position for the way he treated his recruits. His justification was that he treated them no differently than he was treated, but times had changed. Sometimes, I wonder if that may have anything to do with the lack of discipline seen with many of our servicemen and women. The individual is nurtured instead of the unit fortified. But anyway…

My dad refuses to watch this movie or to even read the book, simply because of the name. To him, the term “Jarhead” is derrogatory and anyone outside of a superior that uses it is usually in for an earful. I wonder how many other Marines out there feel the same.

As a movie, I found it entertaining. Like you stated, parts of it are obviously stretched and glamorized for Hollywood, but all in all, it’s entertaining.

Personally i think this is a book/moviie that should be read by any young man about to join the military in a combat capacity. While it is focused around the Marines, and Swofford’s experience in them and can’t be used as a template for what everybody elses’ experience will/have been in the Military, it DOES an alternative view to that of the recruiters or the romanticised movie versions.

Swofford himself might be an elitist dick trying to distance himself from his past, but don’t let that turn you off the book at least. It may focus on the bad side of Marine and military life, but that is just as important as the good.

Saw the movie last year and wasn’t impressed. Oh I was impressed by the details they got right about the Marines in the early 90s. But the movie struck a sour note with me. Read the book last week and I realized what the problem with it is.

It is a sea story. The memoirs of a callow young man who went to war, saw some things and came home. That is all that it is.

But because Swafford is a Author and an academic his memoir is going to be taken as gospel by civilians who read it. They’ll buy into it as truth.

Which would be sad. Example, I went to boot camp in 1985 at MCRD San Diego - the drill instructors were forbade from cursing. They could not touch you, let alone beat you.

This did not mean we were handled with kid gloves. A man can put a lot of oopmph when he sneers the word “recruit” that cussing would not provide.

Whatever - I’m an 0311 who never saw the FMF and I didn’t go to the Desert; I sat the war out with 3D FSSG in Okinawa. All I know is that Swafford’s Marine Corps aint’ the same one I was in from 1985 - 1993.

“if you’re constantly tormented by the fact your girlfriend/spouse may be unfaithful, is she really that grand a prize? If you don’t trust them, why would you be in a serious relationship with them?”

This is the only part of the review I need to address; I enjoyed the rest of your comments. When you are in a combat situation, away from home, and unable to speak to your loved ones often…it is easy to begin to have doubts. Not to mention, Swafford is surrounded by men whose girlfriends and wives ARE cheating on them. I don’t think it is a stretch to start to wonder if something like that might happen to his own relationship. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone is human. No matter how much you trust someone, it doesn’t make them perfect.

If you see this movie as entertainment, then you will definitely be entertained. There’s some mind-candy, sure, but not all of it is sweet. For the nit-pickers, this film will, of course, be flawed, but c’mon: At the end of the day, haven’t you had enough with your job to even give a damn? Grab a cold one, enjoy scenes like Fowler scoping out d***s in the shower and let the day go…you’ll enjoy the flick more that way. I sure did!

I saw the movie and thought it a waist of 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. Not to mention the cost of the tickets.

You watched it more that once?? Your a tougher man than I Midnight.

Your evaluation was pretty good. I didn’t read the book, but I imagine that the director surely added some nonsence for the dramatic effect.

I have always seen Full Metal Jacket (the first 15 minutes) as an acurate depiction of boot camp, But, no DI was ever killed by a recruit. More dramatic effect!

I went through boot camp (San Diego) in 1977. The DI’s were very professional and never hit anyone. There may have been a bad apple who did, but if caught would have been disciplined. It certainly was not an accepted practice.

Upon entering my first duty station, 11th Marines, I was told about the “Old Corps” by a LCpl of 18 months. I think he was beaten in boot camp every day, and twice on Sundays. Some sea stories never change.

As for all these non-military persons trying to figure it out… I recall the scene in Black Hawk Down when Hoots explains why he does what he does. It’s at the end of the movie. By the way, BHD was a very good movie which more closely followed the facts. I say this from seeing the documentary which interveiwed the actual participants.

Semper Fi.

Lol, this movie is such a waste of time. What an ungrateful boot, he returns without a scratch and whines about boredom?

Someone please hand him a k-bar and have him clear a minefield or two?

I think that Jarhead (both the book and the movie) has provoked quite a bit of mixed reactions among the Marines that I know.

In general, I think that Swofford offered little more than his own limited perspective, of a junior enlisted Infantry Marine, leavened through with some famous sea-stories (particularly the unfaithful wife on tape, which every Devil Dog who served in the first Gulf War seems to have seen), mostly to get acclaim and money from the literary and Hollywood set. Far be it from me to take a jab at anyone else’s racket if they’re making a buck, even if we know a bit better… Some of the rest, I think, is where the sense of bearing and protecting the image of the Corps that almost every Marine has bumps up against Swofford’s jaundiced view, whether valid in and of itself or not, whether or not we could relate to it at times and in parts.

As to specific issues, RTR policies regarding DI conduct I can remember as being pretty opaque to recruits. You’d hear of stories about a DI who manhandled a recruit, or came close, or might have violated policy in some other way, and some officer getting involved, and maybe or maybe not that DI being removed or reassigned. No recruit knows what happens after that. Was the DI booted out? Stuck in STC for a cycle or two? The movie only shows Swofford’s perspective on the issue (I really don’t know what they were doing in the early 90s either).

Obviously, the live-fire exercise was bull. The most charitable characterization is dramatic license. I don’t know if it was Swofford’s (don’t remember that part from the book) or Hollywood’s. I don’t think (in the book) that Staff Sergeant Siek oversaw the scout-snipers’ indoc (nor would it be all that likely, for the same SNCO who did so to lead them later in their platoon).

The later stuff, again, I just took to be Swofford’s own attitude on things. I don’t think that the point was that hydration, NBC drills, physical activity, etc., were useless. From a Lance Corporal’s perspective, it’s all just the stuff you have to do that no one likes doing (better or worse than sitting around doing nothing is a relative matter). The stuff with Susies, while a bit overstated, is a common enough experience. Whatever you have back home often seems that much better than it was when you left, and often when you get back.

That’s basically what I took from Jarhead, an overly vivid, rather cynical, partially secondhand account. It resonated somewhat despite that, in the way that decent satire can partially reflect, rather than recount, the truth.